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- By Melissa Wilson
- Published 04/3/2008
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A lawsuit is claiming that the Large Hadron Collider, about to go into operation just outside of Geneva, Switzerland, may generate a black hole that will swallow the Earth and even possibly end the universe as we know it, according to the New York Times. The LHC, fourteen years in the making and 27 kilometers in circumference, will collide high speed (think just under the speed of light) beams of protons. The collisions will take place over hours, and scientists will analyze the fragments, hoping to learn more about the immediately post-Big Bang universe. It's scheduled to begin running in May.
However, Walter L. Wagner and Luis Sancho have filed suit in Honolulu, hoping to put a stop to the collider's activities before they begin. The suit claims that safety concerns have been downplayed by CERN scientists, including the risks that the collider could produce a small black hole, or a "strangelet" which would turn the planet into a small lump of "strange matter." There's also the matter of a claim that CERN didn't file an environmental impact statement. The suit was filed in Hawaii because the U.S. Department of Energy, the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, the National Science Foundation and CERN are all listed as defendants.
(And the men pressing the suit are trying to save money by not filing in Europe.) It should also be noted that Wagner previously filed a pre-emptive suit against the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider at Brookhaven National Laboratory, a collider which has operated without incident since 2000.
The head of communcations at CERN, James Gillies, said, "It's hard to see how a district court in Hawaii has jurisdiction over an intergovernmental organization in Europe."
According to CERN, safety studies have been performed, including one last year. Michelangelo Mangano, a CERN scientist who participated in the Safety Assessment Group, said, "The possibility that a black hole eats up the Earth is too serious a threat to leave it as a matter of argument among crackpots."
Dr. Mangano and Steve Giddings (UCSB) have been collaborating on a paper, based on the safety assessment, to determine all possible scenarios, including the "black hole" hypothesis, which could be generated, theoretically, according to "some variants of string theory," but would also evaporate, acording to current understanding of black hole theory. The paper is still being peer-reviewed at this time.
In short, there is a non-zero chance that the world will end next month. However, according to the people in the position to know best, "non-zero" still means "really damned unlikely, so pay your credit card bill on time anyway."
However, Walter L. Wagner and Luis Sancho have filed suit in Honolulu, hoping to put a stop to the collider's activities before they begin. The suit claims that safety concerns have been downplayed by CERN scientists, including the risks that the collider could produce a small black hole, or a "strangelet" which would turn the planet into a small lump of "strange matter." There's also the matter of a claim that CERN didn't file an environmental impact statement. The suit was filed in Hawaii because the U.S. Department of Energy, the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, the National Science Foundation and CERN are all listed as defendants.
The head of communcations at CERN, James Gillies, said, "It's hard to see how a district court in Hawaii has jurisdiction over an intergovernmental organization in Europe."
According to CERN, safety studies have been performed, including one last year. Michelangelo Mangano, a CERN scientist who participated in the Safety Assessment Group, said, "The possibility that a black hole eats up the Earth is too serious a threat to leave it as a matter of argument among crackpots."
Dr. Mangano and Steve Giddings (UCSB) have been collaborating on a paper, based on the safety assessment, to determine all possible scenarios, including the "black hole" hypothesis, which could be generated, theoretically, according to "some variants of string theory," but would also evaporate, acording to current understanding of black hole theory. The paper is still being peer-reviewed at this time.
In short, there is a non-zero chance that the world will end next month. However, according to the people in the position to know best, "non-zero" still means "really damned unlikely, so pay your credit card bill on time anyway."
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Comments
Comment #1 (Posted by Rita Gillies)
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Well I would, wouln't I ? He's my son and I have been in on this from the beginning.
Comment #2 (Posted by Miguel de Servet)
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Dear Mrs Gillies,
I assume that by "He's my son" you are referring to James Gillies, "head of communcations at CERN", who, so far, has issued such inspired statements as:
"It's hard to see how a district court in Hawaii has jurisdiction over an intergovernmental organization in Europe."
and:
"There is nothing new to suggest that the LHC is unsafe," he said, adding that its safety had been confirmed by two reports, with a third on the way, and would be the subject of a discussion during an open house at the lab on April 6.
"Scientifically, we're not hiding away," he said.
I must confess that neither the above statements, nor your claim that your apparently "have been in on this from the beginning" reassure me one bit.
I suggest we all resort to such technologically advanced measures as touching wood and keeping our fingers crossed.
MdS
Comment #3 (Posted by JTankers)
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If micro black holes dont evaporate, how much might this experiment shorten Earths life expectancy?
CERNs web site states that we have not been destroyed by effects of cosmic rays and micro black holes will evaporate.
However, cosmic rays travel too fast to be captured by Earths gravity, and Hawking Radiation is disputed and contradicts Einsteins highly successful relativity theory. Collider particles smash head on like a car collision and can be captured by Earths gravity, and relativity predicts micro black holes will not decay (Hawking called Einstein doubly wrong, yet it is Einstein who is repeatedly found to have been correct in his theories). There is currently no reasonable proof of LHC safety, LSAG (LHC Safety Assessment Group) has been trying for months to prove safety without success. I hold the minority opinion that it may not be possible because it may in fact not be safe.
Cosmic Rays from the legal complaint.
any such novel particle created in nature by cosmic ray impacts would be left with a velocity at nearly the speed of light, relative to earth. At such speeds, . . . , is believed by most theorists to simply pass harmlessly through our planet with nary an impact, safely exiting on the other side. . . . Conversely, any such novel particle that might be created at the LHC would be at slow speed relative to earth, a goodly percentage would then be captured by earths gravity, and could possibly grow larger [accrete matter] with disastrous consequences of the earth turning into a large black hole.
If this thing is so safe, why arent CERN scientists allowed to express any personal fears they might have about this Collider?
Alleged in the legal action: Chief Scientific Officer, Mr. Engelen passed an internal memorandum to workers at CERN, asking them, regardless of personal opinion, to affirm in all interviews that there were no risks involved in the experiments, changing the previous assertion of minimal risk.
(Statisticians generally consider minimal risk as 1-10%).
JTankers
LHCConcerns.com
Comment #4 (Posted by an unknown user)
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JTankers do you have any physics background or do you just like to say whatever comes to mind? the probability this happening is less then 1/3 billion much less then minimal risk stop making up facts to try and scare off good valid research.
Comment #5 (Posted by JTankers)
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Professor Dr. Otto E. Roessler estimates 50 months Earth accretion time from a single micro black hole captured by Earth's gravity (www.golem.de/0802/57477-4.html, translation at www.lhcconcerns.com/LHCConcerns/Forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=52)
